Legislature(2011 - 2012)BARNES 124

02/02/2012 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 184 REFUND OF FISH BUSINESS TAX TO MUNIS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 290 ESTABLISH ENDOW ALASKA GRANT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 290(CRA) Out of Committee
+= HB 170 MUNI TAX EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN VOLUNTEERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 170(CRA) Out of Committee
        HB 170-MUNI TAX EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN VOLUNTEERS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:06:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 170, "An  Act relating to municipal  property tax                                                               
exemptions on residences of  certain volunteer emergency services                                                               
personnel  and the  widows and  widowers  of volunteer  emergency                                                               
services personnel; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:07:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  moved  to adopt  Version  27-LS0562\I,                                                               
Bullard,  4/6/11,  as  the  working document.    There  being  no                                                               
objection, Version I was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:08:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE, Alaska  State Legislature, speaking as                                                               
the sponsor  of HB 170, reminded  the committee that it  heard HB
170 last year and several questions  arose last year.  He related                                                               
that over  the interim  changes to  HB 170  were made  to address                                                               
those concerns.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:08:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff, Representative  Eric Feige, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  explained  that  HB  170  provides  the  state  the                                                               
opportunity  to reimburse  to municipalities  the property  taxes                                                               
paid  by first  responders, fire  and emergency  medical services                                                               
(EMS)  personnel,  if  the  municipality   chooses  to  enact  an                                                               
ordinance  to do  so.   Originally, the  legislation proposed  an                                                               
opt-out program, but  has now been changed to  an opt-in program.                                                               
Therefore, there is  no obligation on behalf  of the municipality                                                               
to do this unless they choose  to do so.  This legislation allows                                                               
municipalities to  provide an incentive [for  first responders to                                                               
stay as such]  if the municipality so chooses.   He recalled that                                                               
last year  there were  questions regarding  whether there  was an                                                               
annual application, which is left  to the municipality to decide.                                                               
However, since it's an annual property  tax it would seem to make                                                               
sense that  one would be required  to apply annually in  order to                                                               
receive  the exemption.    There was  also  a question  regarding                                                               
qualifying  an  "active  volunteer."    The  legislation  defines                                                               
"volunteer"  in  statute  by  using  an  existing  definition  in                                                               
statute,  but if  the municipality  wants a  smaller group  or to                                                               
clarify  the group  further, the  municipality  can decide  that.                                                               
There was  also a question regarding  the widow/widower provision                                                               
and whether a widow/widower who  remarries would qualify.  Again,                                                               
the municipality  can define that  and any parameters  around it.                                                               
He also  recalled that last  year there was a  question regarding                                                               
"paid on-call volunteers"  and, again said that it  would be left                                                               
to the municipality to determine.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:12:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK requested  explanation of  the provision  on                                                               
page 3, lines 4-10.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.   PASCHALL  explained   that  the   aforementioned  provision                                                               
provides  an   opportunity  for   the  state  to   reimburse  the                                                               
municipality for the  exemptions, just as is done  for the senior                                                               
property tax exemption.  Therefore,  if the state recognized this                                                               
proposed  exemption  as a  need,  the  legislature could  fund  a                                                               
reimbursement  for  the  lost revenue  the  municipalities  would                                                               
experience.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  pointed out  that the  provision on  page 3,                                                               
line 4 uses the term "shall".                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  said that "shall"  is the normal language  for such                                                               
programs.    Since  the  legislature   has  to  provide  separate                                                               
legislation  to  fund  the   program,  the  program/exemption  is                                                               
dependent on that.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:13:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ inquired  as to how long it has  been since the state                                                               
has  actively reimbursed  the municipalities  for the  senior tax                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL answered that it has been about 10-12 years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:14:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL, in response to  Representative Saddler, stated that                                                               
the  language  "only to  the  extent  that  the loss  exceeds  an                                                               
exemption that was granted by  the municipality" on page 3, lines                                                               
6-7,  was  taken  from  the  senior exemption  language.      The                                                               
language  relates  that  the  municipality  can't  be  reimbursed                                                               
twice.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:14:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK  inquired  as  to  what  prohibits  a  large                                                               
increase  in  the  number  of   volunteer  firefighters  to  take                                                               
advantage of this proposed property tax exemption.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL opined  that he didn't believe people  would put the                                                               
time  in to  do so.   He  indicated that  the municipality  could                                                               
specify rules regarding the number of  hours one must serve to be                                                               
able to apply for the exemption.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:15:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER asked  how the  sponsor would  feel about                                                               
amending the  language on page 3,  line 4, from "shall"  to "may"                                                               
since she  understood the sponsor's  intention is not  to mandate                                                               
the reimbursement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL said that the sponsor wouldn't object to that.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:15:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER inquired  as to  the number  of volunteer                                                               
fire departments in the state that could be impacted by this.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL  responded  that he  counted  78  fire  departments                                                               
located within  a municipality  that has a  property tax.   There                                                               
are  approximately   250  fire  departments  in   the  state  and                                                               
approximately  7,000  firefighters  of   which  about  4,000  are                                                               
volunteers.     Approximately  1,500   firefighters  live   in  a                                                               
municipality that assesses property taxes.   He recalled that the                                                               
Girdwood  Fire  Department has  30-some  volunteers  of which  14                                                               
owned property within the community.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  questioned whether all the  voters in the                                                               
Municipality of Anchorage would have  to vote on whether to grant                                                               
this proposed exemption.  He  pointed out that in Anchorage there                                                               
is a  city fire  department, a  volunteer fire  department within                                                               
the municipal borders, and fire service areas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL replied  no, and  clarified  that this  legislation                                                               
provides a provision on page 1,  line 12, that the governing body                                                               
of the municipality  can grant the exemption.   Therefore, in the                                                               
case of Anchorage, the Anchorage  Assembly would be able to grant                                                               
the exemption.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  related his  understanding that  there is                                                               
no guarantee the  state would fund this  proposed exemption, it's                                                               
subject  to  appropriations.   He  then  asked  if the  pro  rata                                                               
provision exists to address a limited appropriation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL replied yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER then inquired as  to the potential cost to                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL explained  that  in determining  an  answer to  the                                                               
aforementioned, the  question then  becomes how much  time should                                                               
legislative  research spend  on  such.   He  used  Girdwood as  a                                                               
typical example.   The  Girdwood Fire  Department has  51 members                                                               
listed in the state registry of  which 12 properties were held in                                                               
names matching  members of the  Girdwood Fire Department.   These                                                               
properties had an assessed value  of $3.9 million and the average                                                               
property value  was $329,500.   The  property values  ranged from                                                               
$194,000-$765,000.   Mr.  Paschall  reminded  the committee  that                                                               
most of those  who are very active in local  fire departments are                                                               
involved in them  for years.  Still, there  are many firefighters                                                               
who  come and  go  and  those people  often  don't own  property.                                                               
Therefore,  this proposed  exemption  could be  an incentive  for                                                               
those who serve the community to remain in it.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:21:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  noted that  most fire  departments include                                                               
emergency medical services (EMS) personnel as well.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  confirmed that  in most  communities in  Alaska the                                                               
fire  departments  include  EMS   personnel.    He  informed  the                                                               
committee  that  the numbers  he  used  for the  fire  department                                                               
includes the EMS personnel as well.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA,  drawing  from her  time  reviewing  EMS,                                                               
related that a large percentage  of EMS personnel are volunteers.                                                               
In  fact,  in  small  communities the  EMS  personnel  are  often                                                               
helping in the  clinics.  She opined that  [EMS and firefighters]                                                               
do really good work.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:22:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   inquired  as  to  what   happens  to  a                                                               
community  that goes  forward with  this proposed  exemption, but                                                               
the state stops funding it after a few years.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  opined that  the volunteers  would accept  the fact                                                               
that the state doesn't have the  funds.  He also pointed out that                                                               
the municipality  would be able  to repeal the ordinance  and the                                                               
program were the state to end the funding to the program.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER  asked   if  the   municipalities  would                                                               
actually repeal the program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL said he couldn't answer  that.  He then related that                                                               
the Homer  Fire Department  newsletter related  that in  2010 the                                                               
[Homer]  Fire Department's  budget  was $971,000,  but the  total                                                               
cost  in normal  wages for  the  same services  as the  volunteer                                                               
firefighters would be an estimated $3.6 million.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  stated that he admired  the motivation of                                                               
this effort  and monetarily supports  his local  fire department.                                                               
However,   he   expressed   concern   that   [this   legislation]                                                               
establishes  a situation,  a worst  case scenario,  in which  the                                                               
proposed exemption  is offered, boroughs and  municipalities take                                                               
advantage of it and enjoy  it while those who aren't firefighters                                                               
in the  community have  to pay  for the exemption.   In  fact, he                                                               
related that  he has  heard testimony  that local  businesses are                                                               
concerned that their property taxes may increase.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL  agreed that  would  be  the worst  case  scenario.                                                               
However,  he highlighted  these volunteers  are taking  their own                                                               
time  to help  those who  aren't  providing the  funding for  the                                                               
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:27:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  interjected that the  municipality receives                                                               
what  it pays  for  in terms  of emergency  services.   The  more                                                               
capability  and  the  greater  the ability  to  fight  fires  and                                                               
provide  EMS, the  better service  it provides  to the  citizens.                                                               
Furthermore,  it directly  impacts  home insurance  rates in  the                                                               
community.  He related that  for those homeowners who participate                                                               
in the fire  department in his community, there is  about a 15-20                                                               
percent savings on their home  insurance rates.  Ultimately, if a                                                               
municipality  has  the  demand  for a  certain  quality  of  fire                                                               
department, the municipality can decide to  pay for it out of its                                                               
coffers  such that  it has  professional firefighters  or it  can                                                               
choose  to  utilize a  far  cheaper  labor force  from  volunteer                                                               
firefighters.   This  legislation,  HB 170,  gives  them a  large                                                               
degree of  flexibility in terms  of providing an  opportunity for                                                               
the exemption not a mandate.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:29:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL, in response  to Representative Austerman, clarified                                                               
that  there was  a  zero  fiscal note  attached  to the  original                                                               
legislation because  there is no administration  required for the                                                               
state and there is no appropriation for it.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  pointed out  that the  legislation uses                                                               
"shall" language.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  clarified that  until the  legislature appropriates                                                               
the funds, there are no funds to be spent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN remarked that  part of the discussion of                                                               
this committee  and the House  Finance committee will be  to make                                                               
such determinations.   While  the fiscal note  is zero,  it would                                                               
behoove the  committee to recognize  that there will be  costs if                                                               
the state pays  for the exemption.  Therefore,  he suggested that                                                               
the fiscal note should be indeterminate.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:31:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA highlighted  communities such  as Girdwood                                                               
and  Hope  where  volunteers  are   the  lifeline  for  emergency                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL related  that [the  Delta Junction]  volunteer fire                                                               
department has  33 members, which  doesn't include  EMS personnel                                                               
as that's provided  by another volunteer department.   He pointed                                                               
out that the area the  [Delta Junction Volunteer Fire Department]                                                               
serves is the size of Vermont.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:34:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ  added that  this exemption  isn't free.   If  HB 170                                                               
becomes law, the average taxes on  homes in the City & Borough of                                                               
Juneau would be about $2,000.   Therefore, if this exemption goes                                                               
forward,  the  state  should  [fund it]  otherwise  it  would  be                                                               
another unfunded mandate.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:34:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  explained that he felt  the legislation                                                               
should have an indeterminate fiscal  note because he doesn't want                                                               
municipalities  to   think  the   state  "shall"   reimburse  the                                                               
municipalities  that opt-in  to this  program.   He said  that he                                                               
wanted to be sure the aforementioned is clear on the record.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:35:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  emphasized that  often  the  cost of  not                                                               
having a service isn't taken into account with the fiscal note.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:36:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER directed  attention to  written testimony                                                               
from Thomas  Andriesen that says,  "There is already  an optional                                                               
tax reduction  for emergency responders  that boroughs  can adopt                                                               
and I believe  it is a 15%  reduction in a members'  tax.  Making                                                               
this  a  mandate  would  be more  appropriate  than  the  current                                                               
proposed House  Bill."  He inquired  as to what Mr.  Andriesen is                                                               
referring.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL responded that he  wasn't sure, although he recalled                                                               
that an  assembly or  the voters  in a  municipality can  enact a                                                               
$20,000 property value exemption for any purpose.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER expressed interest in knowing more.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:38:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  related  her understanding  that  usually                                                               
smaller   communities   have    larger   numbers   of   volunteer                                                               
firefighters  whereas larger  communities  most  often have  paid                                                               
firefighters.  She inquired as  to whether department staff could                                                               
speak to  the benefit  of giving the  exemption versus  having to                                                               
pay for  volunteer services  and the  property values  in smaller                                                               
communities such as Hope and Girdwood.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:39:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE VAN  SANT, State Assessor,  Division Programs,  Division of                                                               
Community   and  Regional   Affairs,   Department  of   Commerce,                                                               
Community  &  Economic Development,  said  that  he doesn't  have                                                               
value information  on Hope since it's  not a city.   However, the                                                               
property values in the following  locations are as listed:  Craig                                                               
and  Cordova  - $105,000-$124,000;  Nenana  -  $74,000; Tanana  -                                                               
$37,000;  Petersburg  -  $118,000;  Pelican -  $162,000;  Nome  -                                                               
$90,000.  The aforementioned are per capita values, he noted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:41:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  surmised that the taxation  rate will vary                                                               
from community to  community.  She then inquired as  to the range                                                               
of property tax.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN   SANT  informed  the   committee  that   the  following                                                               
communities have the  specified rates:  Craig -  6 mills; Cordova                                                               
- 9.7  mills; Nome  - 10 mills;  Nenana - 12  mills; Pelican  - 7                                                               
mills; Petersburg -  11 mills; Valdez - 20 mills;  and Whittier -                                                               
5  mills.   Therefore,  the range  is  5 to  20  mills with  most                                                               
communities having a mill rate of 6-11.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ,  in  further  response  to  Representative  Cissna,                                                               
explained  that  under a  mill  rate  of  10, roughly  for  every                                                               
$100,000 in assessed value, the property tax would be $1,000.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:42:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT RUBY,  Director, Division  Programs, Division  of Community                                                               
and  Regional  Affairs,  Department   of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                               
Economic Development,  related that he  has a home in  Moose Pass                                                               
with  an approximate  value  of  $140,000 and  they  pay $634  in                                                               
property  tax  to  the  borough.    Therefore,  if  the  proposed                                                               
$150,000 exemption  was in  place, the entire  $634 tax  would be                                                               
exempted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:43:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  pointed out  that one  of the  letters of                                                               
support references  a tax exemption  on the first  $200,000 value                                                               
whereas the legislation refers to the first $150,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL   responded  that  the  original   version  of  the                                                               
legislation did propose a tax exemption on the first $200,000.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:44:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ, referring  to page  2, lines  24-27, of  Version I,                                                               
inquired  as  to why  the  sponsor  would  want to  reward  those                                                               
applications that aren't filed in a timely manner.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL related that this  is the language used for existing                                                               
optional exemptions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:45:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    SADDLER    asked    if    anything    prohibits                                                               
municipalities  from  doing  this proposed  exemption  without  a                                                               
state authorizing statute.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL reiterated  his  understanding that  municipalities                                                               
have the ability to provide a $20,000 exemption.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:45:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  recalled that some of  the other property                                                               
tax exemptions  are only eligible  to those who are  eligible for                                                               
the permanent fund dividend (PFD).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL said  HB 170 includes a provision that  in order for                                                               
an individual to  receive the exemption, he/she  must be eligible                                                               
for the PFD.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:46:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ  inquired as  to  whether  the committee  wanted  to                                                               
maintain or remove the language regarding timely application.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN said he was fine with it [as it is].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  surmised that  Chair Munoz,  drawing from                                                               
her time on the Juneau  Assembly, is likely viewing the provision                                                               
as would an  assembly.  She said she would  be fine with whatever                                                               
Chair Munoz wanted.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ announced that she  would like to remove the language                                                               
because an applicant should apply in a timely manner.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER   highlighted   that   the   legislation                                                               
specifies  that  one  has  to  be  a  volunteer  fire  department                                                               
employee for two years prior to applying for the exemption.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:47:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER moved to adopt Amendment 1:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 24-27;                                                                                                       
          Delete the following language:  "The governing                                                                        
     body  of  the municipality  for  good  cause shown  may                                                                    
     waive   the   claimant's   failure   to   make   timely                                                                    
     application  for exemption  and authorize  the assessor                                                                    
     to accept the application as if timely filed."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:48:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER moved to adopt Amendment 2, as follows:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 3, line 4                                                                                                                  
     Delete "shall"                                                                                                             
     Insert "may"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER explained  that she  didn't want  to give                                                               
municipalities a  false sense  of security  that they  can expect                                                               
the state to fund this proposed exemption.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE said  that he  didn't have  a problem  with                                                               
Amendment 2.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:49:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ related her belief that  the state should pay for it,                                                               
if  the  exemption  is  going  to be  law.    However,  she  also                                                               
understood Representative Gardner's point  that the state may not                                                               
fund the exemption.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER reminded the  committee that the state has                                                               
chosen, on occasion,  not to fund a host of  other programs, such                                                               
as power cost equalization and municipal revenue sharing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:49:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:49:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER suggested that  it would be appropriate to                                                               
have  some  mechanism  whereby  neighbors  who  would  enjoy  the                                                               
benefits  of the  improved volunteer  firefighter services  would                                                               
incur some obligation  for this exemption rather than  have it be                                                               
a state subsidy.  He  suggested perhaps the local community could                                                               
be obligated to  provide a one-third match for  the state funding                                                               
for the  exemption.  He  inquired if the aforementioned  would be                                                               
appropriate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE explained that  by granting the exemption, a                                                               
municipality is  not taking  in revenue,  and therefore  the only                                                               
way for the municipality to make  that up is to increase the mill                                                               
rate.   The state, he further  explained, may choose to  refund a                                                               
certain  percentage of  the  exemption  up to  100  percent.   He                                                               
assumed that if  the municipality granted the  exemption and then                                                               
found  itself  short  of  funds  to operate,  it  would  have  to                                                               
increase the mill rate if the  state didn't provide a 100 percent                                                               
reimbursement.   Adjusting  the municipality's  income is  within                                                               
the  purview  of the  municipality,  the  separate issue  is  the                                                               
state's decision whether  to provide a refund at  a percentage up                                                               
to 100 percent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  clarified that  he is  trying to  avoid a                                                               
situation similar  to that of  the senior property  tax exemption                                                               
in which  the state funded  it during a  time of plenty,  but did                                                               
not during leaner  times.  In those leaner times,  it was left to                                                               
the municipality to fund.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE   said  he  understood  the   concern,  but                                                               
emphasized  that the  local  municipality still  has  the job  of                                                               
increasing  or lowering  its  mill rates  or  assessed values  in                                                               
order to raise  revenue.  There are so many  unknowns with regard                                                               
to this exemption that, perhaps  the reimbursement should be left                                                               
at 100 percent  and see what happens.  He  reminded the committee                                                               
that if a  municipality isn't having a  recruitment problem, then                                                               
it doesn't have  to enact the exemption.   However, he understood                                                               
there may be  some political pressure, although it  won't be from                                                               
many people because  it will likely be from  those volunteers who                                                               
own property.   With  regard to how  much of a  bill HB  170 will                                                               
generate for  the state,  he said  he was unsure.   On  the other                                                               
hand, there is something of a moral obligation, he remarked.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ  pointed out that  if the state  doesn't participate,                                                               
the municipality has  100 percent "skin" in the game  [and thus a                                                               
30  percent requirement  as proposed  by Representative  Saddler]                                                               
would be difficult.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:55:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN moved to report CSHB 170, Version 27-                                                                  
LS0562\I, Bullard, 4/6/11, as amended,  and with an indeterminate                                                               
fiscal  note, out  of committee  with individual  recommendations                                                               
and the  accompanying fiscal  notes.   There being  no objection,                                                               
CSHB 170(CRA) was reported from  the House Community and Regional                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:56 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSHB170-Sponsor Memo on changes Version I.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 170
HB170 CS 27-LS05621I.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 170
HB184 (H)CRA Amendment.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
HB184 DOR Share Credit Analysis.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
HB184 DOR Tax Div. Summary Definition.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
HB184 City of Homer response to CRA question.msg HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
HB184-DCCED-DCRA-01-26-12.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
CSHB184 Ver R CRA.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
HB184-DOR-TAX-01-25-12.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 184
CSHB290 National Standards Compliance.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 290
CSHB290 Version D.PDF HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 290
HB290 Changes from Version B to Version D.pdf HCRA 2/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 290